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Interview and lesson October 07, 2009 |
Wednesday, October 7, 2009 Hello 3) Audio Piano Lesson
Interview with Susan Werner Susan: Well, I am happy to chat with you! Debbie: How did you learn how to play the piano? Susan: I started playing on my grandmother’s player piano in the basement at the age of 5 or 6. I started taking lessons when I was 11 or 12. Debbie: Did you major in piano in college? Susan: No, not at all. I studied voice and opera. I took some piano lessons in high school but I really do play by ear. Reading is fairly torturous. I can do it but it’s kind of like paying your taxes. You have to do it. But I don’t read quickly. I don’t have a stenographer’s skill for that. I wish I did though. My piano repertoire would be much broader, especially if I could read the left hand. If I could read the left hand, it would have many more different approaches available to it. I learn a lot by watching Dr. John videos on YouTube, or James Booker. Seeing someone playing the keyboard helps me. I guess I am a visual learner. Something about seeing the hands on the keyboard helps me pick it right up. Debbie: Do you know chords? Susan: Yes, absolutely. Debbie: But in terms of embellishing and improvising, you do that by ear as opposed to playing with modes and using theory? Susan: Well, I did study theory and I have that available to me but intuition and the ear goes a lot further than education, I think and a willingness to make mistakes right, left and center. Debbie: How do you approach your songwriting? Susan: Usually I’ll have a sentence or a phrase that has some music in it. It somehow has a melody and rhythm attached to it. I’ll keep that in the back of a notebook. I’ll keep a whole list in a notebook that I travel with. Then, when I go back to my office in Chicago, I shut the door, turn the phone off and pick out a phrase that appeals to me. I’ll pick out a phrase that has some feeling to it because inspiration shows up rarely. If you write down those moments and are then willing to put in the perspiration when you get back to the office, you could be a songwriter. It really is 99% perspiration, 1% inspiration. I do believe that. That’s where a lot of people get stuck. They think it should come easily. It does not come easily but it is more rewarding than a lot of other kinds of ways that you can sweat. When you sweat, you have something different to show for it – look, it’s a song! Debbie: Do you get those moments when someone says something in the course of the day and you think, there’s a song in that? Susan: Yes. Then I write it down and save it. And here’s another thing, if it shows up two or three times in what someone is saying or something you think yourself, if it just continues to show up, it’s a song! If it’s just one idea that floats through your head but nothing in your life confirms it, no one in your life says anything that reflects that, it probably isn’t a great song. But if you latch onto something that keeps showing up in conversations or how people are living their lives these days, if life makes a case for the song,that means that the song doesn’t just speak for you but it speaks for many people. And those are the best songs. Expressing yourself is one thing, but expressing the feelings and hopes of many others, those are the great songs. Debbie: I was just telling one of my friends about your song “I Can’t Be New”. That’s just so true, the sentiments in that song. Susan: That came from my road manager. It is something someone else said to me. He said, “I wish you’d write a song called “I Can’t Be New”. Right away I thought that’s a great idea. Then, a week later, friends of mine divorced. He found a new girlfriend and I thought, “oh my God, it’s universal!”. Debbie: What artists do you enjoy performing with and why? Susan: Well, I like to perform with people like Vance Gilbert who give a great live show and really know how to connect with an audience. There are some musicians who are very talented in terms of writing songs and making a record but when you put them in front of people, they don’t have anything new to add to the song. I like doing shows with people who like doing shows, who like people. If you are a wallflower, that’s lovely but it’s less fun doing a show with someone like that. Debbie: Do you perform much with other people or mostly solo? Susan: I have a band. I travel a lot with Trina Hamlin, an unbelievable harmonica player. I travel with a cellist sometimes, Julia Biber. She really adds to this Classics theme. We have these arrangements reduced down to piano and cello. Between the two of us, it is chamber music and it is very rewarding to do. Debbie: I can’t wait to hear it. Did it take a long time? Susan: It didn’t take a long time once we decided to do it. I’m very proud of it. Debbie: Now did you write all the arrangements? Susan: I sketched them out on a computer program and then we sent them over to Brad Hatfield who does the arrangements for the Boston Pops. He scored it. He put it together in notes that the musicians in the studio could read. And what was important about that was that he could allow for space for bowing, what bow strokes to make. I don’t even know what these things are. It’s a different language for strings and he helped that make sense to the string quartet. I will claim some credit for half of the arrangements though! Debbie: So what gave you the idea to do this project, setting classic pop songs to chamber music settings? Susan: Our intention was to simplify the arrangements and unplug the instruments and ideally to reveal the brilliant economy of these compositions and to give the lyrics more room to really move you. Sort of clear out the underbrush and let the song speak very directly and to trust that the song has great power, just the song, just the words, just the chords. By writing up chamber music arrangements, I hoped to reveal something new about these songs that you might have thought you knew well. Debbie: So you are really dealing with the core of the song, the melody and harmony. Susan: Yes, revealing the musicianship of the song and the intent of the lyrics, allowing the lyrics to float to the surface. I mean it’s what an art song does and I do have this Masters degree in classical voice. But what do you do with that? You flip hamburgers really. So now it has shown up many years later with a place to apply that in a new context. It’s an antique skill to sing Mozart or Schubert but when applied to this context, it brings something new to pop music. Debbie: There is that negative image of classical music. Susan: People think that there is nothing that they could relate to emotionally with classical music, that it is just an intellectual exercise, but these songs all have a real emotional core. They had to have impact. With the song “Mercy, Mercy Me”, people gasp at how powerful and sad that song really is. It is a deeply sorrowful and visionary song. If you are bopping along to the song on the radio, you might miss that there is an environmental message here. You might miss it altogether. Debbie: I think I did miss that message too. How did you hook up with the symphony players? Susan: These were all players who Brad Hatfield played with regularly in the Boston Pops. He just called up these first rate players. The French horn player plays with the Boston Symphony. It was a thrill to sit in the studio and watch these players just sit down and nail it. The level of skill and concentration and focus was absolutely thrilling! Debbie: Thanks so much for your time, Susan. I can’t wait to hear you at the show. Susan: Oh, thank you. I’ll see you at the show and will give you all my CD’s! Debbie: Awesome, thanks. See you then.
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